if government isn't the solution, there is no solution. the best immigration policy is have one. we have none. there are better ways to go. >> bret: absent the big bill you don't have a bill. >> in principle you could work out small chunks of this enforcement. after a year or two, when you do that, you get people who realize that the river has become a trickle of illegal immigrants. then you could propose instant amnesty right away. ways of approaching this. the democrats are in control. the democrats never showed great interest then forcement as we saw when reagan signed his amnesty. the only question i have is if we do this, which i think ultimately isumane legalization, and america is a generous country, will we have another co hort of 10 million illegals in ten and 15 years? if we do, this will be an abject failure. the way it's structured it looks as if we will. >> bret: next up, the president throws high heat on fox news and rush limbaugh and gets softballs from "60 minutes." >>> this is not an interview i ever expected to be doing. but i understand, mr. president, this was